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I did a new member intro earlier so you can see what drew me to the forum and reason why I’m very interested in the baby PS.

1. Am I correct in hearing the 2020 model year will have a higher EPA MPG rating than current models? I found one source last night stating a 4x4 model is rumored to be 21 city and 28 highway Can anyone confirm this?

2. What’s everyone’s opinion of the new 10 speed? I’ve read some earlier posts that a lot of flashing and updates were needed, which I’m not surprised and it’s to be expected for something new.

3. I need/want/have to have 4wheel drive so my question, which package will achieve the best fuel economy? 4x4 or Fx4? I don’t own anything that I need to tow, but I need to be able to if needed. Most cases would be a small atv trailer or small fishing boat.

4. What are the different gear ratios available between 4x4 and FX4?

Thanks for everyone’s help and input.
 

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I did a new member intro earlier so you can see what drew me to the forum and reason why I’m very interested in the baby PS.

1. Am I correct in hearing the 2020 model year will have a higher EPA MPG rating than current models? I found one source last night stating a 4x4 model is rumored to be 21 city and 28 highway Can anyone confirm this?

2. What’s everyone’s opinion of the new 10 speed? I’ve read some earlier posts that a lot of flashing and updates were needed, which I’m not surprised and it’s to be expected for something new.

3. I need/want/have to have 4wheel drive so my question, which package will achieve the best fuel economy? 4x4 or Fx4? I don’t own anything that I need to tow, but I need to be able to if needed. Most cases would be a small atv trailer or small fishing boat.

4. What are the different gear ratios available between 4x4 and FX4?

Thanks for everyone’s help and input.

1. I haven't been keeping up with what could change with the 2020 model but it could possibly have a higher EPA rating because of the pressure from the new diesels released by RAM and GM, I find the fuel efficiency on this one excellent for what it is and you can possibly get an excellent deal on the 2019s when the 2020s roll out like I did with the 2018.

2. The 10 speed is smooth, but I got my truck recently so software updates were already done on it.

3. There shouldn't be that big of a difference in fuel economy if any.

4. 3.31 and 3.55 are the only gear ratios available between these
 

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I did a new member intro earlier so you can see what drew me to the forum and reason why I’m very interested in the baby PS.

1. Am I correct in hearing the 2020 model year will have a higher EPA MPG rating than current models? I found one source last night stating a 4x4 model is rumored to be 21 city and 28 highway Can anyone confirm this?

2. What’s everyone’s opinion of the new 10 speed? I’ve read some earlier posts that a lot of flashing and updates were needed, which I’m not surprised and it’s to be expected for something new.

3. I need/want/have to have 4wheel drive so my question, which package will achieve the best fuel economy? 4x4 or Fx4? I don’t own anything that I need to tow, but I need to be able to if needed. Most cases would be a small atv trailer or small fishing boat.

4. What are the different gear ratios available between 4x4 and FX4?

Thanks for everyone’s help and input.

1. I haven't been keeping up with what could change with the 2020 model but it could possibly have a higher EPA rating because of the pressure from the new diesels released by RAM and GM, I find the fuel efficiency on this one excellent for what it is and you can possibly get an excellent deal on the 2019s when the 2020s roll out like I did with the 2018.

2. The 10 speed is smooth, but I got my truck recently so software updates were already done on it.

3. There shouldn't be that big of a difference in fuel economy if any.

4. 3.31 and 3.55 are the only gear ratios available between these
Thanks for your feedback.

Does the Lariat automatically come with a sun/moon roof? I’m a big sun-roof guy so I’d actually seek to find a truck without.
 

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No, the sunroof is optional on all trims except for maybe the Limited but the Powerstroke doesn't come in that trim. Most of the trucks you'll see on the lot will have it though.
 

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I did a new member intro earlier so you can see what drew me to the forum and reason why I’m very interested in the baby PS.

1. Am I correct in hearing the 2020 model year will have a higher EPA MPG rating than current models? I found one source last night stating a 4x4 model is rumored to be 21 city and 28 highway Can anyone confirm this?

2. What’s everyone’s opinion of the new 10 speed? I’ve read some earlier posts that a lot of flashing and updates were needed, which I’m not surprised and it’s to be expected for something new.

3. I need/want/have to have 4wheel drive so my question, which package will achieve the best fuel economy? 4x4 or Fx4? I don’t own anything that I need to tow, but I need to be able to if needed. Most cases would be a small atv trailer or small fishing boat.

4. What are the different gear ratios available between 4x4 and FX4?

Thanks for everyone’s help and input.

1. I haven't been keeping up with what could change with the 2020 model but it could possibly have a higher EPA rating because of the pressure from the new diesels released by RAM and GM, I find the fuel efficiency on this one excellent for what it is and you can possibly get an excellent deal on the 2019s when the 2020s roll out like I did with the 2018.

2. The 10 speed is smooth, but I got my truck recently so software updates were already done on it.

3. There shouldn't be that big of a difference in fuel economy if any.

4. 3.31 and 3.55 are the only gear ratios available between these
Thanks for your feedback.

Does the Lariat automatically come with a sun/moon roof? I’m not a big sun-roof guy so I’d actually seek to find a truck without.
Sorry, meant to say I’m NOT a big Sun-roof guy.
 

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I have a King Ranch with no sunroof....

10 speed is a great trans. I have owned 3 of them now, zero issues with any. By the time you buy, software will be figured out. Had the 2017 flashed one time and it was perfectly fine after that.
 

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All good posts, thank you guys!

What’s your average range if you put in a full tank? I’d say anything over 3/4 tank to be full.
 

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What’s your average range if you put in a full tank? I’d say anything over 3/4 tank to be full.
My average range on a full tank is 900-1250 miles, depending on if I am towing or not. When I fill up, display shows 999 miles to empty, but I can look at my FordPass app and add 1,000 miles to whatever it is reporting--for example, FordPass reports 254 + 1000 = 1254 miles DTE after that fill up.

Now, having said this, I have to confess that I have the 6.5' long bed on mine and I had my dealer replace the 26-gallon OEM fuel tank with the 48-gallon Titan replacement fuel tank, and I am absolutely loving the long range. Note that you need the 6.5' long bed to get the 48-gallon tank, so if you want long range and put on a lot of miles like I do you may want to be searching for a long bed truck to provide you this tank size upgrade option.

I just returned from a fishing trip to NW Ontario where I put on about 1,400 miles and never stopped at a fuel station in Canada.

There is an entire thread on the Titan Replacement Tank in the forum if you are interested in this further --> https://www.dieself150forum.com/forum/426-towing/1796-titan-fuel-tank.html

Good luck with your purchasing decision, and welcome to the forum.
 

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What’s your average range if you put in a full tank? I’d say anything over 3/4 tank to be full.
My average range on a full tank is 900-1250 miles, depending on if I am towing or not. When I fill up, display shows 999 miles to empty, but I can look at my FordPass app and add 1,000 miles to whatever it is reporting--for example, FordPass reports 254 + 1000 = 1254 miles DTE after that fill up.

Now, having said this, I have to confess that I have the 6.5' long bed on mine and I had my dealer replace the 26-gallon OEM fuel tank with the 48-gallon Titan replacement fuel tank, and I am absolutely loving the long range. Note that you need the 6.5' long bed to get the 48-gallon tank, so if you want long range and put on a lot of miles like I do you may want to be searching for a long bed truck to provide you this tank size upgrade option.

I just returned from a fishing trip to NW Ontario where I put on about 1,400 miles and never stopped at a fuel station in Canada.

There is an entire thread on the Titan Replacement Tank in the forum if you are interested in this further --> https://www.dieself150forum.com/forum/426-towing/1796-titan-fuel-tank.html

Good luck with your purchasing decision, and welcome to the forum.
That’s a heck’ve a long time between fill ups. Unfortunately I won’t be going with a 6.5’ bed so the Titan tank is out. In all honesty, some of the ranges guys are posting with the 26 gallon is pretty amazing to me. I’m really stoked about this truck.
 

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You can get either rear end with fx4 or just regular 4x4 option.
Fx4 gives you better shocks, locking diff, better skid plate and in my mind is worth it.
I have had 2 f150s not Fx4 and they come with a crappy cardboard type material that is in place of the skid plate under the motor. I live on gravel road and get a bit of snow through the winter, this thing soaks up mud and snow and gets heavy. On both trucks it has eventually fallen off and I just left it off the truck.
 

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You can get either rear end with fx4 or just regular 4x4 option.
Fx4 gives you better shocks, locking diff, better skid plate and in my mind is worth it.
I have had 2 f150s not Fx4 and they come with a crappy cardboard type material that is in place of the skid plate under the motor. I live on gravel road and get a bit of snow through the winter, this thing soaks up mud and snow and gets heavy. On both trucks it has eventually fallen off and I just left it off the truck.
I stated I was looking at 4x4 package and still am but would get factory or aftermarket skid plates installed. It’s too naked under there for what I intend to use the truck for. What’s stopping me from just going FX4 is the ride difference since it’ll spend 95% if its life on pavement. I need to get clarification, but I was under the impression that FX4 had bigger tires and wheels which hurts fuel economy. I’ll happily let someone educate me though.
 

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I have the FX4 "Off Road" package and they put the same wheels and tires (unfortunately) on the FX4 as they do if you don't have the FX4 package (at least this is true for King Ranch). 2019 Chev/GMC puts LT DuraTrac's on their Trail Boss/AT4 "Off Road" package trucks; whereas, Ford puts P rated crap on their "Off Road" FX4 package--which in my opinion is a joke.

I knew I should have swapped out my tires for LT's right off the showroom floor, but decided to attempt to forgo that $1,500 expense until after 18 months of ownership and instead invested that money into the 48-gallon Titan replacement fuel tank. So I just threw away the P rated tires a few days ago and had LT's installed after a complete tire explosion experience off-road in NW Ontario last week. That tire explosion also destroyed my Gatorback mud flap behind that wheel, so deferring the tire upgrade cost me another $300 to repair that additional damage. P rated tires are not "Off Road" tires, and at least Chev/GMC does that right on their "Off Road" trucks by factory install LT tires.

My ride with FX4 package is as smooth as glass, even with the swap to LT tires. Since 95% of the time I am also on pavement, this time instead of going with LT DuraTrac's (ran 3 sets of those on my 2010 F150 5.4 KR) which from my experience added road noise and -2mpg, I went with LT265/60R20 Michelin Defender LTX M/S and LT265/70R18 Michelin Defender LTX M/S for the spare (in order to have a sized match spare--although I would be surprised if it will ever be needed).

As far as power folding mirrors go, I would assume Lariat would have them. I can tell you that I did a fair amount of test driving prior to my purchase, and after I drove one with the power folding power extending tow mirrors that became a must have! Even if I were a person that wasn't towing at all, those tow mirrors are so much better in my opinion for seeing the road to the sides, behind, in blind spots, than the standard mirrors, so I would encourage you to test drive a truck with the tow mirrors and one with the standard mirrors to see the difference for yourself.
 

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I have the FX4 "Off Road" package and they put the same wheels and tires (unfortunately) on the FX4 as they do if you don't have the FX4 package (at least this is true for King Ranch). 2019 Chev/GMC puts LT DuraTrac's on their Trail Boss/AT4 "Off Road" package trucks; whereas, Ford puts P rated crap on their "Off Road" FX4 package--which in my opinion is a joke.

I knew I should have swapped out my tires for LT's right off the showroom floor, but decided to attempt to forgo that $1,500 expense until after 18 months of ownership and instead invested that money into the 48-gallon Titan replacement fuel tank. So I just threw away the P rated tires a few days ago and had LT's installed after a complete tire explosion experience off-road in NW Ontario last week. That tire explosion also destroyed my Gatorback mud flap behind that wheel, so deferring the tire upgrade cost me another $300 to repair that additional damage. P rated tires are not "Off Road" tires, and at least Chev/GMC does that right on their "Off Road" trucks by factory install LT tires.

My ride with FX4 package is as smooth as glass, even with the swap to LT tires. Since 95% of the time I am also on pavement, this time instead of going with LT DuraTrac's (ran 3 sets of those on my 2010 F150 5.4 KR) which from my experience added road noise and -2mpg, I went with LT265/60R20 Michelin Defender LTX M/S and LT265/70R18 Michelin Defender LTX M/S for the spare (in order to have a sized match spare--although I would be surprised if it will ever be needed).

As far as power folding mirrors go, I would assume Lariat would have them. I can tell you that I did a fair amount of test driving prior to my purchase, and after I drove one with the power folding power extending tow mirrors that became a must have! Even if I were a person that wasn't towing at all, those tow mirrors are so much better in my opinion for seeing the road to the sides, behind, in blind spots, than the standard mirrors, so I would encourage you to test drive a truck with the tow mirrors and one with the standard mirrors to see the difference for yourself.
I thought the 4x4 came with Michelin looking street tires and the FX4 had more of an all-terrain Good Year? I guess it’s a moot point as I could always purchase different tires or work out a deal with the dealer to get the tires I want. I too am a fan of the Michelin LTXs, great all around tire. I’ll probably do my due diligence and test drive both 4x4 and FX4 before signing the dotted line. Power folding is more important than extending for me jus due to where I park in proximity to the layout of my sprinklers. I don’t tow and anything that I would I could probably get away with standard mirrors. Do you know if it’s an option down the road to have OEM power extending tow mirrors installed?
 

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I did a new member intro earlier so you can see what drew me to the forum and reason why I’m very interested in the baby PS.

1. Am I correct in hearing the 2020 model year will have a higher EPA MPG rating than current models? I found one source last night stating a 4x4 model is rumored to be 21 city and 28 highway Can anyone confirm this?

2. What’s everyone’s opinion of the new 10 speed? I’ve read some earlier posts that a lot of flashing and updates were needed, which I’m not surprised and it’s to be expected for something new.

3. I need/want/have to have 4wheel drive so my question, which package will achieve the best fuel economy? 4x4 or Fx4? I don’t own anything that I need to tow, but I need to be able to if needed. Most cases would be a small atv trailer or small fishing boat.

4. What are the different gear ratios available between 4x4 and FX4?

Thanks for everyone’s help and input.
As a follow up to question 1, I found an XLT crew cab, 4x4, 3.0 PS at my local dealer and the window sticker says EPA city =21 and highway=28 with a combined of 24 mpg. Must be the weight savings from going from higher trims to XLT.
 

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Do you know if it’s an option down the road to have OEM power extending tow mirrors installed?
Yes, it is an option, but as I understand it will run you in the $1,500 range for removal of standard mirrors and install of the tow mirrors, so best to get the tow mirrors up front vs later if you think you will want them.

For what it's worth, I would want the tow mirrors over standard even if I was a person that never towed anything. The tow mirrors provide so much more blind spot visibility as well as better all around ability to see what is going on alongside and behind while moving down the road.
 

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Do you know if it’s an option down the road to have OEM power extending tow mirrors installed?
Yes, it is an option, but as I understand it will run you in the $1,500 range for removal of standard mirrors and install of the tow mirrors, so best to get the tow mirrors up front vs later if you think you will want them.

For what it's worth, I would want the tow mirrors over standard even if I was a person that never towed anything. The tow mirrors provide so much more blind spot visibility as well as better all around ability to see what is going on alongside and behind while moving down the road.
How much do you think it effects MPG being they stick out further than standard?
 

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How much do you think it effects MPG being they stick out further than standard?
I would suspect a minor impact to mpg's, but then again, my 3.0 FX4 KR 4x4 with 3.55 rear axle ratio and tow mirrors is capable of close to 30mpg's on the highway under the right conditions--see attached photos below of my display screen. (Note: the TPMS alert is displayed because this is with the OEM tires with the spare on driver's rear before I took the truck in to replace to LT tires).

I should also point out that I have consistently been running with fuel additive, and this would be contributing to my mpg performance as well as my regen interval mileage. I was running The Fuel Ox for some time, but ran out of that so now am using HotShots Secret EDT which has similar characteristics as The Fuel Ox.

Notice the 999 miles to empty, that is after topping off my 48-gallon tank, as Ford only displays 3-digits for DTE in miles, in km displays 4-digits.
 

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