no more 3.0 in 2020?
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It's available on everything up here in Canada. This has been discussed a lot online however, try changing your zip code, it seems that for certain zip codes it's removed, likely a glitch on their website or something.
I will try that, crazy to think Ford would pull it as GM and Dodge are back in baby diesel market.
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It would be nice if they could crank out a little more power out of them, especially torque.
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I'd just like to see maybe a little more displacement (say 3.2L or 3.3L) which would bring more torque and horsepower naturally at the expense of fuel economy => I think all three US automakers are chasing that elusive fairy-tale 30 MPG highway rating; hence all three going with a 3.0L 6-cyl (and in the case of Ford & GM) coupled to a 10-speed transmission for maximum fuel economy...
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The 3.0L is on hold for 2020, with late availability. This has been beat on other truck sites. It’ll be back better than before. I just hope they don't build in design flaws we don’t need. It’s really been a trouble-free mill since it came out in the US. The EGR issue was isolated and minimal.
Amen!
If any Ford Diesel Powertrain Engineers are listening, it would be great if the 'next generation' F150 PS was based on a smaller displacement scorpion architecture. Imagine a 6.7 with a smaller bore and a shorter stroke in the F150. 400hp/600ftlb out of a small displacement say 4.0L V8 turbo diesel is exactly what this Ford Owner is looking for to claim first-in-class status!!
I feel like Ford was testing the waters with the 3.0L PS Lion platform updated from it's inception in the early 2000's. The 6.7L PS scorpion architecture is so far ahead of the Cummings & Duramax designs. My money says Ford Engineers are already working on a 'next-gen' F150 diesel. They just needed some baseline 1/2 ton diesel EPA data to build confidence.
I feel like Ford was testing the waters with the 3.0L PS Lion platform updated from it's inception in the early 2000's. The 6.7L PS scorpion architecture is so far ahead of the Cummings & Duramax designs. My money says Ford Engineers are already working on a 'next-gen' F150 diesel. They just needed some baseline 1/2 ton diesel EPA data to build confidence.
So I recently looked over the inventory of 2020 F150s at three large local dealerships. Not one 2020 F150 PowerStroke on the full lots. I called the dealers to confirm, and they verified that there were no diesel F150s. One dealer went on to say that maybe they weren't getting them becuase "they didn't sell." Meanwhile, several Internet articles seem to suggest that the EPA is holding up the 2020 release for emissions and mileage testing. Personally, I love my diesel and I would think they sold well. Any one else out there have any vignettes?
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Talked to some people at my dealer and I walked away with them having an overall negative impression of the F150 PS Diesel line-up, as they ordered three (3) in 2018 (mine being the first and I specifically wanted one) and they had to basically give away the 3rd one by slashing the price on it more than $10K to get it off the lot last year as a 2018 left-over.
From a performance perspective, some of the same complaints listed here: Drives/accelerates like a neutered pig compared to any of the gas models, even including the 2.7 EB, with the expectation that they would be more like their SuperDuty big brothers
Couple the tepid interest/sales with the out-of-the-box EGR By-pass valve recall and Ford exiting the car business (which GMs found out about by watching the news), my impression is that the F150 PS Diesels were not a favorite amongst dealers because lack of interest/demand and no ability to make the dealership any $$$ (which in the end is their real motivator)
Based on all of the above, I would be surprised if my dealer ordered any 2020 F150 PS Diesel models for their lot, as I am pretty sure they didn't order any 2019 F150 PS Diesel models either due to their still licking-their-wounds on how the 2018 models sold...
From a performance perspective, some of the same complaints listed here: Drives/accelerates like a neutered pig compared to any of the gas models, even including the 2.7 EB, with the expectation that they would be more like their SuperDuty big brothers
Couple the tepid interest/sales with the out-of-the-box EGR By-pass valve recall and Ford exiting the car business (which GMs found out about by watching the news), my impression is that the F150 PS Diesels were not a favorite amongst dealers because lack of interest/demand and no ability to make the dealership any $$$ (which in the end is their real motivator)
Based on all of the above, I would be surprised if my dealer ordered any 2020 F150 PS Diesel models for their lot, as I am pretty sure they didn't order any 2019 F150 PS Diesel models either due to their still licking-their-wounds on how the 2018 models sold...
I bought mine at first sight and that dealer certainly made some money!
My dealer experience was the same, they had 2 left over 2018s last year, and I got in unbelievable deal on one of them. Another dealer near me had one left over.
Yeah Ford sure botched the launch. That aside it will always be a niche motor, as they're expensive, low production, and thanks to VW diesel gets a bad rap in North America. The high price for the truck and engine upgrade makes it so that it's a low margin vehicle for dealers, so they are not inclined to order them for lot inventory.. as why would you when you can sell 1 diesel to every 30 gassers, and make 5K more on each gasser you sell (those motors are cheapy cheap and mass produced, not luxury engines from the UK like these). That aside these are great engines for the right person. For someone that covers a lot of miles touring etc, and tows smaller loads, they're perfect. I personally couldn't be happier with mine, but to each their own.
Actually further to this, I just saw a commercial for F-150 for 2020, which stated there were 6 engine options, and then "including diesel" in bold underneath. First time i've seen it advertised on tv.. so yeah it's not going anywhere this year atleast. probably just a later production run.
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Agreed, hopefully with a low pressure EGR system as the other change I would like to see, as all of the burning EcoDiesels have me a little worried about high pressure EGR designs....
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