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Ok. Need some help wrapping my head around this. Last week took my 2020 xlt ps in for oil change. Dealership was offering $49.95 oil change tire rotation up to six quarts of oil. Now if I an not mistaken our baby power stroke uses six quarts, and I know diesel oil and filter would be a little more than gas. But the minute I said diesel; price jumped to $138. No tire rotation. I used points to pay for it. But what makes a diesel oil change that much more expensive if both oil changes are six quarts.
 

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I change my own oil in both my 2013 F150 5.0 and my 2918 F150 3.0 diesel. The diesel uses maybe a quart more, I can’t remember. Filters are about two times the cost for the diesel. Labor is easier on the diesel. If there is an up charge it shouldn’t be over double the cost.

I wonder if they were looking at the 6.7 diesel cost?
 

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@Shrsr - welcome to the wonderful world of Ford PowerStroke Diesel (PSD) Ownership!

My guess this is a little bit of the PowerStroke mentality being dragged down to our trucks. Since the majority of SuperDutys are work vehicles and their maintenance is being written off as a business-related expense, dealers think they can get away with the SuperDuty prices. Dealers don't offer a "Works" Package for SuperDutys (they do offer maintenance packages but not at "Works" pricing levels) nor do our F150 Diesel trucks qualify for the standard "Works" package offered for gasoline vehicles = there is a very clear line between "commercial" vs. "consumer" pricing for oil change services. Here is an associated thread where another owner got quoted SuperDuty prices for a F150 PSD Maintenance package.

Bottom line: Dealers are trying to compete with the quick change places on the consumer end (probably in some cases as a loss-leader) and the commercial end probably ends up subsidizing the consumer end = our trucks get caught up in no-man's zone in all of this. I can understand this pricing on the 6.7L SuperDuty that takes 13 quarts of engine oil (twice as much oil required), but I agree we shouldn't be charged SuperDuty prices for our trucks when they take roughly the same amount of oil as a gas engine.

Before my 2018 PSD, I would pre-negotiate the price of my oil changes with my Service Manager/department for my 2010 and 2015 Platinum V8 Gassers. There is quite a mark-up on the Motorcraft price per quart of oil and filters. I think my dealer was charging ~$8-$9/quart for Motorcraft Full synthetic gas engine oil. I simply told them I can buy Mobil-1 for less than $4/quart at BJs, so I can supply my own oil or they can price match. While they weren't happy, they price matched at $4/quart with the equivalent Motorcraft Full Synthetic, because they knew I'd continue to come to them for all service. Lesson Learned: Don't be afraid to negotiate for a better price!

Going into my 2018 PSD, I knew I'd be lumped into the SuperDuty pricing for oil changes, so I opted for the Ford Protect ESP Maintenance Plan, where I in effect pre-pay for my oil changes at 5K interval. I don't even know what my dealer charges for an oil change on an F150 PSD, but I wouldn't be surprised if it to be in the $120-$130 range. In addition to using the Motrocraft F150 5W-30 Full Synthetic Diesel Oil and a new filter, I get the multi-point inspection and my tires rotated as part of my Ford Protect Maintenance ESP, which isn't cheap but I don't have to think about what you are asking.

Now the real ball-buster is if you pay $138 for your Ford Dealer to change the oil on your F150 PSD, and their oil change tech doesn't follow the filter-on-the-shaft-and-not-in-the-cup procedure and "snubs-your-nub" causing the infamous "Low Oil Pressure" warnings due the anti-drain-back stopper being dislodged from the brass ring at the bottom of the oil filter assembly. Seems to me like those owners are getting screwed twice!
 
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Here's some logic if you want to challenge your local Ford dealer on their SuperDuty service pricing for our F150 PSDs: When I asked my Service Manager why Ford chose not to expose OCR (Operated Commanded Regen) function within the IPC (like they do on the SuperDutys) to clean out our DPFs, the response I got was that Ford doesn't consider the F150 PSD a "commercial" grade vehicle, hence OCR shouldn't be required to be surfaced to the user; i.e. Ford considers our vehicles more in the "consumer" grade/class when it comes to service.

If our trucks are not considered commercial grade but rather consumer grade, then why are you trying to charge me commercial pricing for service when they consider our trucks to be a consumer class vehicle? Inquiring minds want to know!
 
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As Murphy would have it, I got an e-mail from my local Ford dealer w/their monthly service specials:
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Is $79.95 what your local dealer is getting for "The Works" package in your area?!?

I only ask because I remember these:
  • As low as $15.95 to $19.95 (when Ford Corporate is pushing them) back on my 2010 F150 V8
  • I thought I saw a $49.95 price as late as last year at my dealer (but it may have been higher)
  • $49.95 price tag for "Works" package at @Shrsr's dealer is a lot better than this current offer!
  • Above is my local dealer current cost for "The Works" package w/o any corporate campaign
  • I really haven't been paying close attention to the price on The Works package with my Ford Protect Maintenance ESP
Gasoline "Works" package is only good up to 5 quarts (pretty sure both my 5.4L and 5.0L V8s took at least 6) and no missing the "Excluding Diesel" caveat.

Given this latest price for the Gasoline "Works" package, the $138 charged for the F150 PSD doesn't look that far off if you start with my dealer's current Gasoline "Works" package!

Hopefully my dealer's current offer isn't a sign of things to come...
 
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Interesting jmperlik, I looked up my local dealer Rountree-Moore Ford in Lake City FL and they are the same.

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This makes @Shrsr service cost look somewhat normal. We are clearly lumped in with F250s on up.
 

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I change my own oil in both my 2013 F150 5.0 and my 2918 F150 3.0 diesel. The diesel uses maybe a quart more, I can’t remember. Filters are about two times the cost for the diesel. Labor is easier on the diesel. If there is an up charge it shouldn’t be over double the cost.

I wonder if they were looking at the 6.7 diesel cost?
When I run out of points I am sure I will be changing my own again.
 

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Well my dealer is adding a brand new 6-bay Commercial vehicle addition to the back of their existing building, so maybe it is time for the consumer part to start subsidizing the commercial part of their service business! They used to try to be competitive but this month's "Works" offer is far from that anymore...
 

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My dealer charges $150, but they top off the DEF. The first time they changed the oil I had months of low pressure lights and multiple dealer visits to get it fixed. Now I change the oil myself. Just a note if you decide to DIY, the Rotella oil that many use is in short supply at least in the Boston area. It took me an hour of internet scouting last month before I could score a few jugs. Good luck!
 

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Just a note if you decide to DIY, the Rotella oil that many use is in short supply at least in the Boston area. It took me an hour of internet scouting last month before I could score a few jugs. Good luck!
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Been a while since I was able to get on here a bit, but I had been involved with a thread " Oil change interval" a few months back and for buying Motorcraft F150 diesel oil (ebay) and the Motorcraft oil filters (dieselfiltersonline.com) I was able to get my materials for oil change costs to $60. I did buy enough oil and filters for at least 5 oil changes and its not cheap but, luckily now I am not scouring stores for overpriced oil. The dealers here on Long Island are getting at least $125 and up per hour, depending on your model. You know your gonna get banged for at least 1hr labor and waste dumping fees as well. The $138 or something I read back, is actually a good price if you total up all the costs. All good and well but, the guy on the labor side of it, who may or may not have ever done an oil change on a F150, leaves much to be desired with what can fail for a simple mistake.
If you shop around and get your own items and like I did, added a Fumoto drain valve, your under the truck time draining oil, is less then 5 minutes, button it up and likely your done in well under 30 minutes and cleaned up ready to go.
 

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I do all the regular maintenance work on our personal fleet. I keep my eyes open for good prices on maintenance supplies.
A year ago, I was able to purchase two (2) 5-gallon pails of Rotella T6 5W40 synthetic diesel oil for $171.18 at the local Fleet Farm (on sale for 79.99 for the 5-gallon pail, plus 7% tax) . And, there was a rebate of $40 per 5-gallon pail. My net cost for the 10 gallons of Rotella T6 5W40 synthetic diesel oil was ~ $92 (adding in the stamp for the rebate). During this same time period, 2.5 gallon jugs of T6 were similar net cost per gallon bought on sale at Fleet Farm and including the Rotella rebate.
That's less than $30 for materials for an oil change, counting the filter, for Rotella T6 5W40 synthetic diesel oil.
With today's scarcity and prices, I'm sure glad I bought more than I needed when the price was right in the 1st half of last year.
 

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You guys got it good. The two dealers in Broward County (south Florida) I called wanted $325 to do oil changes on PSD regardless of model…I started changing my own for about $65 per….don’t want anyone else touching my girl anyways!
 

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Ok. Need some help wrapping my head around this. Last week took my 2020 xlt ps in for oil change. Dealership was offering $49.95 oil change tire rotation up to six quarts of oil. Now if I an not mistaken our baby power stroke uses six quarts, and I know diesel oil and filter would be a little more than gas. But the minute I said diesel; price jumped to $138. No tire rotation. I used points to pay for it. But what makes a diesel oil change that much more expensive if both oil changes are six quarts.
I just had my oil changed. The bill shows 7 qts.
 
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