[jevalek77]

Just got the check engine light last Friday. Was hoping it might be something other than this... unfortunately it started knocking this morning, literally on the way to the dealership! Worst part is I had it in the shop two weeks ago and asked them to take care of the recalls. They told me not to worry about the 18E02 recall unless the light came on.

Quick update... My truck has been at the shop since last Thursday (3/21/19). I have called every day to see if there is an ETA on replacement parts. The service manager said they have had these parts on order since the first week in February and should be there any day. I have contacted other local dealerships and all say they could have the parts overnighted if needed. Yes, I could grab my truck and bring it to another dealer. However, I have a loaner now and the other dealerships don't have loaners available for a week or two. Plus I'm afraid to drive the truck and potentially cause more damage.

 

[codywroberts@gmail.com]

Update

So stopped yesterday to pay my respects to our truck. Got call from ford today they are still waiting on the parts and plan is to replace damaged parts and put back together. For the others out there that have had the kaboom with this problem what outcome did you get? Did you get new parts, motor, truck? Attached are pictures from our visit....

 

[Dunrollin]

I too have an update. Yesterday the Ford Pass app showed the truck traveled 14 miles. This morning my service advisor called and said parts are on order and it should be good to go in a few days to a week. He didn't know why it threw the codes. Some of the parts on order are new fuel lines, coolant hoses and misc. bolts and fittings that were missing.

He offered me a brand new loaner which was nice but I still have my trusty 2013 F150 5.0 and I have some doctor appointments about 10 hours from here (it is going to take me a few weeks) and I really didn't want to worry about getting their truck back here. My neighbor can pick up my truck when it is ready if I am still away.

These stories are sad, hopefully this is the beginning of the end.

 

[jmperlik]

@codywroberts@gmail.com - this is why I have been using the phrase "sorry for your loss" after looking at pictures like the ones you posted...

Looking at the FSA 180E02 spreadsheet I rolled up, it looks like you and @adamrbrg@yahoo.com are the only ones in the "Engine Dismantled" state, and we haven't heard back from Adam since he first chimed in on this thread.

Have you challenged your dealership's Service Manager and/or General Manager on Ford's recent Low-Time-In-Service Assembly Replacement Policy?
=> If so, what was their response?
=> If not, why not?

I would be very skeptical of that all being put back together the same way it came apart (especially 4-6 weeks after it was dismantled)

 

[Hawkwatcher1]

They had the parts in by 8:30 this morning so I was able to see them today. That is a burn mark between the screwheads from the spot welding process, Pic 1. On the backside where the screw goes through the shaft, They have spot welded the bottom of screws to the shaft, Pic 2.
It looks like a acceptable permanent fix in my mind. 😄
Now if you have a good mechanic, all should be good!

 

[mascrappo]

They had the parts in by 8:30 this morning so I was able to see them today. That is a burn mark between the screwheads from the spot welding process, Pic 1. On the backside where the screw goes through the shaft, They have spot welded the bottom of screws to the shaft, Pic 2.
It looks like a acceptable permanent fix in my mind. 😄
Now if you have a good mechanic, all should be good!

Nice, thanks. I wish I looked at my new valve to make sure it was the improved version! :crying:

 

[wreedsvt]

Hoping all you guys trucks get back on the road soon and we can put this behind us!

 

[mascrappo]

Amen, get this all behind us and keep on truckin'

 

[adamrbrg@yahoo.com]

Well be prepared for a wait, took 5 weeks from me bringing the truck into the garage for them to diagnose my truck and get a short block shipped in. Now probably another week or two because once they get the short block in they have to measure to get the right head gaskets then who knows how long to put it back together....
Be sure to call Ford customer service and tell them the situation because they will reimburse your payments, or atleast one months worth. Ford customer service has been good about keeping me updated on what is going on, the dealership not so much....

 

[adamrbrg@yahoo.com]

Sadly my issues happened before March first so the new act does not apply to me and they already had my short block on order when I found out about this

 

[jmperlik]

For anyone impacted by a lost screw from the EGR By-Pass valve getting sucked into the engine and subsequent engine failures, please check with your state's New Car Lemon Law for relief.

Most states have incorporated a.) number of visits or b.) number of "down" or "out-of-service" days within a mileage limit or within the first 12-18 months of taking delivery of your new vehicle into their New Vehicle Lemon Law. Your state's Lemon Law may vary, so please check your state Attorney General's website for details.

For example in my beloved State of New York, the New Car Lemon Law specifically calls out more than four (4) visits to repair same problem or more than thirty (30) "out-of-service" days on a new vehicle less than two (2) years old or with less than 18,000 miles on the odometer: New York State New Car Lemon Law Q&A

DOES THE LAW SPECIFY THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED REPAIR ATTEMPTS?
Yes. It is presumed that there has been a reasonable number of attempts to repair a problem if, during the first 18,000 miles of operation or two years from the original delivery date, whichever comes first, either (a) the manufacturer (or its authorized dealer) has had an opportunity to repair the same problem four or more times and the problem continued to exist at the end of the fourth repair attempt; or (b) the car was out of service by reason of repair for a cumulative total of 30 or more calendar days for one or more problems.

You or the manufacturer may rebut this presumption by demonstrating that fewer, or more, than four repair attempts, or 30 days out-of-service due to repairs, is reasonable under the circumstances.

CAN YOU STILL OBTAIN A REFUND OR A REPLACEMENT CAR IF THE DEFECT HAS BEEN REPAIRED?
You may still be entitled to relief under the law, provided all other statutory requirements are met, if a defect continued to exist at the end of the fourth repair attempt, or if the car was out-of-service for a total of at least 30 days, notwithstanding that the defect was subsequently repaired.

For example, a defective transmission continued to exist after four repair attempts but on the fifth repair attempt it was fully repaired. Nevertheless, since it was not repaired at the end of the fourth repair attempt, you have met the presumption that a reasonable number of attempts has occurred and you may be entitled to relief.

I think you need to give Ford an opportunity to fix the issue, but since both trucks in "Dismantled Engine" state in this thread are well over the cumulative total of more than 30 days out-of-service, you could use New York State's New Car Lemon Law for relief if you have any issues after the short block rebuild if you lived here.

I will summarize all of the relief options available in the new post @wreedsvt has offered to make "sticky"

Good luck to all of our "wounded" brethren

 

[jmperlik]

I have created a new "summary" thread the tries to "boil down" everything relevant from the 250+ posts posted here on this topic.

The intent of this new summary thread is primarily for owner who are negatively affected by FSA 18E02:

• Owners negatively affected by this FSA, please post to this new summary thread: START HERE: Any owners affected by FSA 18E02 (EGR By-pass valve replacement)
• Owners positively affected by this FSA (i.e. you escaped without any engine damage), please continue to use this thread for your commentary/feedback/opinions

Thanks in advance to everyone for following these guidelines and many thanks to ALL of the members who contributed to this thread that made this new summary thread possible!

 

[Joe8813]

Well it went in today for surgery. The christmas tree was not lit up and the truck was running perfectly normal so it should be a swap in/out and done. I have asked to see the bad part after to verify there is no missing screws. My dealership kinda sucks so we'll see how it goes...

I feel so bad for those that have to have their trucks ripped apart. I hope you guys get it back good as new and no more issues will be had.

I am only 41 and buy a truck every 3-5 years so if they dick around with this one it will be my last ford ever(I am on number 3) and I will send pics of my new 75+k trucks every time I buy one lol!

 

[wreedsvt]

Well it went in today for surgery. The christmas tree was not lit up and the truck was running perfectly normal so it should be a swap in/out and done. I have asked to see the bad part after to verify there is no missing screws. My dealership kinda sucks so we'll see how it goes...

I feel so bad for those that have to have their trucks ripped apart. I hope you guys get it back good as new and no more issues will be had.

I am only 41 and buy a truck every 3-5 years so if they dick around with this one it will be my last ford ever(I am on number 3) and I will send pics of my new 75+k trucks every time I buy one lol!

Why the last Ford?

 

[atlbob]

My F150 had about 7500 miles on the clock when it ultimately went in last Friday. (Had to reschedule my appointment by 2 weeks to get it in.) The guys at Marshall Ford in O'Fallon, Missouri have now done 6 of these. Dropped it off at 7 AM and while they had everything buttoned up around 6 PM, I can say that they are booking their guys out for the entire day when they do these. They asked to keep it overnight and do a second test drive on Saturday morning to make sure nothing was leaking. They probably drove 40 miles in total, and I got a call at 7:30 AM on the Saturday that it was ready. They said everything was actually clean before they started the work, and so far so good. They also have a few choice words for the Ford guys who are allocating 3.2 hours for them to do this.

 

[jmperlik]

My F150 had about 7500 miles on the clock when it ultimately went in last Friday. (Had to reschedule my appointment by 2 weeks to get it in.) The guys at Marshall Ford in O'Fallon, Missouri have now done 6 of these. Dropped it off at 7 AM and while they had everything buttoned up around 6 PM, I can say that they are booking their guys out for the entire day when they do these. They asked to keep it overnight and do a second test drive on Saturday morning to make sure nothing was leaking. They probably drove 40 miles in total, and I got a call at 7:30 AM on the Saturday that it was ready. They said everything was actually clean before they started the work, and so far so good. They also have a few choice words for the Ford guys who are allocating 3.2 hours for them to do this.

I wonder what the "shop/book" time is for a short block rebuild on one of these 3.0L BabyStrokes...?
Answer: My Service Manager would not even fathom a guess at an estimate...

 

[Joe8813]

Why the last Ford?

Why would I keep buying a brand that keeps having issues? This is not my first problem with this truck. Its had door noise and sunroof noises and issues. They had to replace the glass in it and if I hadn't fixed it would still be noisy. 75K for what? Noises that drive me nuts, and a truck that has had multiple recalls already. First production diesel recalls I get, there are going to be some bumps in the road.

And to boot the dealer has been terrible, kept it for 2 days for an oil change. Said they couldn't hear the noises which was bs. I had to basically find the EGR parts for it since they said they were back ordered and they actually had everything IN STOCK, just not in the package for the recall. I found this out after asking a parts person when they would be off back order and she informed me they had all necessary parts to do the recall. Why couldn't the service guy ask the same question after I asked him? I feel like they didn't even try, didn't even put the recall parts on order. So I drove a grande with the pin pulled for a month and a half wondering if/when I would have engine issues.

Then after that he wanted it that minute for the to do the recall I said sure I can drop it off that night, he offered to come and get it, even better. This was a Wednesday, I said I would be out of town till Monday so they had lots of time to do the work. So it was set they would come pick it up Thursday. Guess what? Never came..... So I call and offer to drop it off again and get "I am so sorry sir, totally my fault". At that point I should have taken it somewhere else, but I guess I like punishment so it went there yesterday and its done. Everything back where its supposed to be.

Its not just the truck its the treatment buy the dealer that is making me not want another one. If this is it and I have no more issues great I might buy another one depending on the life of this one, but I am put off now.

 

[Magma_Red_F150]

Mine finally went in on Thursday, got a call about 4pm, tech wasn't able to finish it up. Apparently it was assigned to a newer tech to do the work on mine. About 3pm the next day received the call that it was finished. They said the original valve looked ok, it should it only had 1696 miles on it. Brought it home and looked it over and found the vacuum line to the actuator still disconnected or maybe came off on the drive home, and one of the egr tube clamps not completely screwed in. I should have inspected in the parking lot with the tech. Everything else seems to be back in place. Also completed the 18N04 PCM reprogramming while it was in there.

 

[Hawkwatcher1]

My truck was taken in this morning around 7:30 . Checked in on it at 1:30 and had a look at the old EGR valve. Good news, the screws were all there! EGR gate has a film of soot on it, nothing bad, 4,220 miles on the truck. It was going back together and was almost done, he was able to keep the steering sector in and work around it. This mechanic worked on Dodges before, just started working at this dealership, he didn't even know of Fords 3.0L. I told him the engine was used in Europe and he commented that Europe has a lot of diesels in cars and trucks, they don't have the issues we have because of the emissions systems the U.S vehicles use. He also said that Dodges have issues with the EGR system too. A bigger problem is people with diesels don't do there service intervals like they should and work them like them should.

Well I dodged a big one, no pun intended, hope she gets put back together right! Best of luck to those still waiting!

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[KR2018]

Error code after EGR Replacement

Had the EGR replaced with screws still in the old unit. All seemed good, but check engine light came on just before I got home with it.

Checked with Forscan and it is error code P2458C. Which is regen did not complete.

It was not in regen on the drive home, particulate filter was at 20%. When I left the dealer. Still shows 20%.

I think I read that some people had a PCM Flash done after the EGR Replacement.

I reset the error code but it immediately came back. Will take it back to the dealer Monday. Hope it is just a loose connector on the Exhaust Pressure Sensor. That would be the easiest fix!

KR2018